Von opensusefan am Fr, 25. November 2011 um 06:12 #
Interessant. Wie immer, nimmt Torvalds kein Blatt vor den Mund. Und da er Linus Torvalds ist, wagt es niemand zu widersprechen.
Die erste unbewusste Reaktion des Maintainers war wohl vermutlich: Torvalds benutzt openSUSE, was ist denn jetzt passiert?
Ich zitiere einmal aus dem Bugreport Torvalds unter https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=731812, es ist einfach zu köstlich:
"I'm considering installing OpenSUSE 12.1 on the other machines in the family too, but the totally crazy security settings currently make that a non-option.
When encountering a new wireless network, OpenSUSE 12.1 has apparently been configured to always ask for a root password. Seriously - that's totally idiotic. It basically means that I would have to give the root password to my kids just so that they can use their laptop.
Similar idiocy covers simple things like changing your timezone, which is less of an issue for the kids, but is equally idiotically broken.
Also, NetworkManager seems to always assume that IPv6 is "automatic", even if you disable IPv6 support in the network configuration tool. That's broken, and makes wireless connections take noticeably longer. Again, you can fix this in NetworkManager *after* you have connected to the network, but you need to do this on a network-by-network basis, and you need that crazy root password.
Guys, these aren't just "user interface warts". They are show-stoppers. Expecting normal users to have the root password in order to get basic things done is simply NOT ACCEPTABLE."
Und es geht weiter (nach dem Hinweis, vielleicht einen Workaround zu probieren):
"Umm. Seriously - why do you point me to a workaround?
OpenSUSE should *fix* this, instead of pointing to some random bugzilla entry with a workaround for the problem.
It's a bug in the distro. Why ask your users to fix up the problems that the distribution has? Just fix the problem.
Nothing like this ever happened to me on Fedora, and the OpenSUSE default settings are *insane*.
Fix them instead of telling your users to edit random files to make the distro work."
Und (als Antwort auf den kleinlauten Einwand "I pretty much agree, but the security team has another opinion"):
"How about giving the security guys a button they can select in the network configuration that says "require root permissions to connect to unknown wireless access points"?
I don't mind giving the security people what they want, but it's crazy to have the default behavior be something unusable."
Was für ein interessanter Bugreport. Aus dem Gesagten geht aber hervor, dass Torvalds openSUSE trotz dieses Bugs auf seinem Rechner benutzt, er kann openSUSE so nur nicht seiner Familie vorsetzen.
Was mir die ganze Geschichte auch sympathisch macht, ist, dass Torvalds scheinbar die gleichen Probleme wie viele Nutzer hat: Erst bekam er unter Fedora KDE 4.0 vorgesetzt, daraufhin floh er zu Gnome2. Mit dem Erscheinen von Gnome3 ist er zu Xfce gewechselt. Und jetzt muss noch irgendetwas geschehen sein, ansonsten hätte er nicht openSUSE 12.1 ausprobiert. Kein KDE3 mehr, kein Gnome2, auch kein Fedora. Ich bin erschüttert.
Ich bleibe jedenfalls erst einmal bei meiner openSUSE 11.1.
Interessant.
Wie immer, nimmt Torvalds kein Blatt vor den Mund.
Und da er Linus Torvalds ist, wagt es niemand zu widersprechen.
Die erste unbewusste Reaktion des Maintainers war wohl vermutlich: Torvalds benutzt openSUSE, was ist denn jetzt passiert?
Ich zitiere einmal aus dem Bugreport Torvalds unter https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=731812, es ist einfach zu köstlich:
"I'm considering installing OpenSUSE 12.1 on the other machines in the family
too, but the totally crazy security settings currently make that a non-option.
When encountering a new wireless network, OpenSUSE 12.1 has apparently been
configured to always ask for a root password. Seriously - that's totally
idiotic. It basically means that I would have to give the root password to my
kids just so that they can use their laptop.
Similar idiocy covers simple things like changing your timezone, which is less
of an issue for the kids, but is equally idiotically broken.
Also, NetworkManager seems to always assume that IPv6 is "automatic", even if
you disable IPv6 support in the network configuration tool. That's broken, and
makes wireless connections take noticeably longer. Again, you can fix this in
NetworkManager *after* you have connected to the network, but you need to do
this on a network-by-network basis, and you need that crazy root password.
Guys, these aren't just "user interface warts". They are show-stoppers.
Expecting normal users to have the root password in order to get basic things
done is simply NOT ACCEPTABLE."
Und es geht weiter (nach dem Hinweis, vielleicht einen Workaround zu probieren):
"Umm. Seriously - why do you point me to a workaround?
OpenSUSE should *fix* this, instead of pointing to some random bugzilla entry
with a workaround for the problem.
It's a bug in the distro. Why ask your users to fix up the problems that the
distribution has? Just fix the problem.
Nothing like this ever happened to me on Fedora, and the OpenSUSE default
settings are *insane*.
Fix them instead of telling your users to edit random files to make the distro
work."
Und (als Antwort auf den kleinlauten Einwand "I pretty much agree, but the security team has another opinion"):
"How about giving the security guys a button they can select in the network
configuration that says "require root permissions to connect to unknown
wireless access points"?
I don't mind giving the security people what they want, but it's crazy to have
the default behavior be something unusable."
Was für ein interessanter Bugreport.
Aus dem Gesagten geht aber hervor, dass Torvalds openSUSE trotz dieses Bugs auf seinem Rechner benutzt, er kann openSUSE so nur nicht seiner Familie vorsetzen.
Was mir die ganze Geschichte auch sympathisch macht, ist, dass Torvalds scheinbar die gleichen Probleme wie viele Nutzer hat: Erst bekam er unter Fedora KDE 4.0 vorgesetzt, daraufhin floh er zu Gnome2. Mit dem Erscheinen von Gnome3 ist er zu Xfce gewechselt. Und jetzt muss noch irgendetwas geschehen sein, ansonsten hätte er nicht openSUSE 12.1 ausprobiert.
Kein KDE3 mehr, kein Gnome2, auch kein Fedora.
Ich bin erschüttert.
Ich bleibe jedenfalls erst einmal bei meiner openSUSE 11.1.